June 6th, 2002

Clandestine Guy

Role Playing News

So I'm looking for some good web sites for gaming news. I pop on to WotC's site once in a while to
check for Chainmail and D&D updates, but was wondering if anyone had any good actual news sites where I could get the lowdown on games and gaming in general....
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I don't post often, but I need some help if ya can.
Am I wrong, or am I right?

Any LARP game works best and basically only when the ST acts as the dictator with slight democratic influences from the players.

Right? 'Cause our 5 year LARP V:tM game has been falling apart for the past year, and one of our current STs is blaming the players.
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Why Vampire LARPS fail...

It's really, really simple.

Reason One: They never end.

Set a goal for the game. End the game when it reaches this goal. This can be anything from "Get 100 players in a game" to "Kill the Prince" to "Until it's too cold outside to play" -- just choose an ending. If you don't, the game will die -- of something. Better to end it on a good note than watch it suffer and die over a long period of time...

Games must have goals. Too many LARPS don't.

Reason Two (and the biggest reason): Different player goals.

Player A wants to write up his kick-ass Brujah and go to town on some creeps. Conflict (and victory) is the primary reinforcer for the player -- be it through combat (kicking ass) or socio-political shenanigans.

Player B wants to "live life as a vampire in the World of Darkness." This involves "inhabiting the skin" of the character and becoming immersed in the game as if it were real.

Player C wants to create a story NOW (as opposed to recounting events in a breathless, "...and then..." manner) about their character's current circumstance. This player is more apt to "arrange" scenes in advance, use out-of-character info (in a positive way) and ultimately, deal with the circumstance and stop playing once the character is "finished."

Now, you can disparage any one of these styles. Whatever. Doesn't matter. The point is that they don't work well together. Player A & B see Player C's use of OOC info as "cheating." Player B is a victim of "Well, that's what my character would do!" (often to the detriment of the game, other players' enjoyment, etc.). Player A is labelled a powergaming munchkin and is seen as "disruptive" by Players B & C. Player C wants to be able to play his/her character without fear (of embarrassment, death, social exile, etc.).

Lastly, the MET system says it does one thing (promotes "storytelling") then weighs down the system with lots of options (mostly for combat) in the name of realism and encourages munchkinism by setting up a situation where a) the Most Powerful characters have the most to do (and therefore the most fun) and b) making the system reward Killing Other Players (diablerie, natch).

That's why Vampire LARPS fail.

I've been doing this since Night Owl started doing WW LARPS back in the early '90's (which makes me a crotchety old gamer-man). I've played in 'em, I've run 'em...and yeah, I've been frusterated beyond belief by

The solution? Well, that's another post for another time.

- J

(oh yeah, Fuck Timestops)
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Coming soon!

Wow. After reading xiombarg's last post, I realised that there was another need not being met... and I was inspired. I bring you:


As of right this instant (10pm PDT) it's still under construction, but it will be a place to get support specifically for running or playing in your LARP game. Sure, you can still post here in roleplayers -- and I recommend you do, because it's a fantastic community and I love it. But if you're not in the mood to listen to non-LARPers tell you that the problem with your LARP is that it's a LARP, know that you'll find 100% support here.

If you're a LARPer who's ever held your tongue because you didn't want to listen to people bash your game again, come to larp_support.

vlarps_suck for your bitching and moaning needs. larp_support for actual help, sympathy, advice and celebration.

Game on!


Since I joined this community, I've noticed a definite trend. A certain... need... was not being met. People were unable to really be themselves in a supportive environment 100% positive to their views.

Now, all that changes.

vlarps_suck: The Vampire LARPs Suck community

That's right. Whether it's all Vampire LARPs in general, a certain LARP, or just certain LARP players (or certain "types" of LARP players), here's your place to bitch, whine, moan, and act in a generally bitter fashion.


Because they do.